@tipU Investors Report 21.05.2018: Inconsistency in Payouts, Vote Power Math Updated

in steemit •  4 months ago

Hi guys, quick update about recent @tipU updates:



Recent Inconsistency in Payouts

The recent update to @tipU voting schedule changed how the voting power is spend each day. Because of the change not all 20% of daily voting power limit was spend and thus lower profit was generated.

It is not a problem, as any additional recovered voting power will be spend soon or later but it may require some time before vote buyers will notice, that they can use @tipU upvotes longer than 4 hours a day :) I've also increased the max allowed upvote for a new post so this should help in spending the voting power.

Update To Vote Power Math

Steem blockchain still has an issue, where upvotes value is rounded up and the more STEEM POWER the voter has, the bigger the problem. In case of @tipU for example, a 1 SBD upvote was often made as an 1.1 SBD upvote, even though the calculations were right.

Thanks for the research done by @mys (Steem Voting weight % is not that linear as we may think) I was able to update the algorithm that calculates needed vote power.

The update allows @tipU to slightly scale down the upvote so instead of 1 SBD upvote, a 0.948 upvote will be made (for example) and the payment difference will be refunded. This should allow @tipU to save some voting power and increase the profit by... few %? I'm still waiting for the data here.

Quick Profitability Check

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Data comes from https://www.steemdesk.com Please note that boomerang makes payouts many times a day so it's basically one day ahead of other bots :)

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i love tipu

Yesterday my post did not receive an upvote although I transferred 15 SBD to tipu. Can you please refund the money or update the post? I already tried to withdraw, but tipu said there is a balance of 0. Maybe you have to do your magic first?

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Maan, you dont have luck for @tipu lately, although there were some connections issues yesterday. Of course I will handle it.

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Haha, yes that's true. Thanks, I received the refund.

It seems that it has become harder for me to use tipu because it seems that there is only a short window of opportunity. When is the best time to use tipu?

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Around 20:00 and 08:00 GMT +1
The demand today was crazy, I'm thinking about switching to 3 shifts per day (voting starts every 8 hours).

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That might help. I've tried a few times in the last couple of days and missed the time slot. I'm at 0:0 GMT on British summer time. Which is 9.00 pm.
From what I understood. That would be the best time to use tipu. Is this right @cardboard ?

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Well, judging on your responsiveness, you are working three shifts; it seems fair your bot is doing the same :)

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Done, sorry for the problem!

I removed my delegation from boomerang and invested in tipu because of the constant improvements and transparency. @ironshield

I think there is something wrong in the Upvotesystem .
I got this message:
@tipU made 1.835 SBD upvote to: >ein-tip-fuer-die-grillsaison< paid from your deposit for 0.917 SBD. Refunding: 0.083 SBD. Thank you for using @tipU!

But in fact i get only a 0.92 SBD Upvote on my post ???

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It's 1.835
https://steemblockexplorer.com/@adalhelm/ein-tip-fuer-die-grillsaison

I think I know what you mean. In what units do you name post value, the $ sign? It's not USD for sure.

I agree that SBD may be misleading but if I write STU (steemit token units? does steem whitepaper mention it anywhere?) no one will know what it is:)

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But SBD means STEEM DOLLARS on steemit ^^
And on the Page they tell
Upvote 200% - 300% of your payment ^^
But in fact it was the same so - the curation I lost Steem Dollars.
OK and ear a little Steem Power

I have a question about the 'invest' feature, if you have a moment. @ironshield

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Sure, you can find me on steemit.chat @cardboard

what about the curation system it is fixed or depends on profits ?

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It depends on curation rewards that @tipu receives.

Thank you for offering good service.
I always enjoy using your service but occasionally, your @tipu service doesn't work.. (check here) And I can't understand why @tipu says that it is running out of voting power even if its voting power is much higher than 80%... .

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Everyday you can recover 20% of voting power, if you spend more than recover, eventually you'll run out of vp.

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Hi @lasper! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0 SBD
  • investment status: 1330.0 SP delegated + 0 SP invested out of 259256 total @tipU SP (share: 0.513%), reinvest ratio at: 0%
  • pending payout: 0.6547 SBD + 0 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 8 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 4 hours

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i want to set reinvest ratio at 10%

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Haven't implemented this command yet, you need to send 0.001 SBD with memo: reinvest 10
:)

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WOW, this is cool... thanks for showing me that, @lasper!
@tipu status

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Hi @swaze! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0 SBD
  • investment status: 0 SP delegated + 0.04 SP invested out of 258598 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0%), reinvest ratio at: 0%
  • pending payout: 0.0 SBD + 0 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 19 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 1 hour

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Hi @niddumulu! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0 SBD
  • investment status: 0.0 SP delegated + 0.0 SP invested out of 276554 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0%), reinvest ratio at: 0%
  • pending payout: 0.0008 SBD + 0.0003 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 1 hour
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 5 hours
  • Profitability: 0.821 SBD + 0.085 STEEM per 1k SP delegated or invested, APR: 22.55% (data from yesterday)

check this out if your want to be successful on steemit.
https://steemit.com/life/@i-know/gh4ka2l4
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I think the voting should also take into account how much of the rewards go to curators. If the vote only comes through after 30 mins and you get a 200% vote then as a bidder you lose out significantly.

Can you please fix this @cardboard / @tipu? Thank you!

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Hi @martinphoto, pasting my answer from the second question :)

Please remember that voting bots are not for printing money - otherwise everyone would just make spam posts and use as much voting bots as possible, because you will earn anyway, right?

Voting bots, as I see it, are for promoting your post - gaining visibility so more people can see your post, see it's value and upvote it.

Currently, using @tipU, spending 1 USD gives back 1.1 USD (and proportionally to higher upvotes) in both SBD and STEEM POWER combined, so technically you're not loosing money but you can easily print SBD either.

You can test the post rewards distribution here: http://steem.supply/rewards

Hope this helps :)

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Hi @amico! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.186 SBD
  • investment status: 0 SP delegated + 1.689 SP invested out of 258691 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0007%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0005 SBD + 0.0009 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 22 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 7 hours

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Mentioning and replying to you here on Tue, 22 May 2018 07:20:31 GMT to remind you of this post.
Please consider upvoting this comment to keep this service running.

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Reminding @amico of this post as requested!
Please consider upvoting this comment to keep this service running.

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Hi @amico! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.186 SBD
  • investment status: 0 SP delegated + 2.392 SP invested out of 261288 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0009%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0012 SBD + 0.0005 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 15 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 10 hours

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Hi @jozef230! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 0 STEEM POWER delegated, 0 STEEM POWER invested
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 6 hours

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Hi @snubbermike! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 20000.001 SP delegated + 457.747 SP invested out of 258694 total @tipU SP (share: 7.9081%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0003 SBD + 0.0004 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 20 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 3 hours

Hey!love what u are doing, could you please check your upvote on my latest post.
https://steemit.com/steemitsandwichcontest/@homecook/steemit-sandwich-contest-week-41-egg-salad-and-cucumber-sandwich

Your feedback on steem block exp.came back as an 10sbd upvote for 5 sbd invest.....well, the current value of the post shows only 5sbd...it doesn't add up...thanks for the info!!!..sorry for leaving you a comment here, I didn't know where else to put it...

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Please dont look at the future SBD payout but the overall post value.

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Hi @cardboard what do you think about my comment re curation / less author rewards when @tipu only votes after 30 mins which means you will lose. E.g smartsteem offers more than 200% once the votes come in later.

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Hi @martinphoto. As for smartsteem - let's check it:
https://steemblockexplorer.com/@luckystrikes/7pdxhd
10 SBD sent
16 SBD upvote (or STU to be precisely)
Vote made 30+ min after post creation so -30% curation.
16*0.7 = 11,2
So 112%, not 200%.

Of course it's not an accusation, everyone is free to run their service as they want. But if we're making a comparison, let's compare the facts :)

Yet, please remember that voting bots are not for printing money - otherwise everyone would just make spam posts and use as much voting bots as possible, because you will earn anyway, right?

Voting bots, as I see it, are for promoting your post - gaining visibility so more people can see your post, see it's value and upvote it.

Currently, using @tipU, spending 1 USD gives back 1.1 USD (and proportionally to higher upvotes) in both SBD and STEEM POWER combined, so technically you're not loosing money but you can easily print SBD either.

You can test the post rewards distribution here: http://steem.supply/rewards

Hope this helps :)

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Hi @snubbermike! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 20000.001 SP delegated + 532.442 SP invested out of 258364 total @tipU SP (share: 7.9471%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 8.4462 SBD + 1.7252 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 10 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 3 hours

I want to delegate 430 SP to @tipu

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Hi @improv! Special squad of highly trained hamsters prepared this delegation link for you:
steemconnect: 430.0 SP delegation for @tipu.

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Hi @lasper! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0 SBD
  • investment status: 1330.0 SP delegated + 0.183 SP invested out of 260658 total @tipU SP (share: 0.5103%), reinvest ratio at: 10%
  • pending payout: 0.0002 SBD + 0 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 24 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 8 hours

I want to delegate 1100 SP to @tipu

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Hi @ironshield! Special squad of highly trained hamsters prepared this delegation link for you:
steemconnect: 1100.0 SP delegation for @tipu.

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Hi @ironshield! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 1100.0 SP delegated + 0 SP invested out of 260949 total @tipU SP (share: 0.4215%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0004 SBD + 0.0002 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 24 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 3 hours

thank you to update us with current scenario of payouts inconsistancy

takings your job

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Hi @tronsformer! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0 SBD
  • investment status: 0 SP delegated + 64.281 SP invested out of 260900 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0246%), reinvest ratio at: 0%
  • pending payout: 0.0645 SBD + 0.0082 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 1 hour
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 6 hours

Heya! So, if you can create this, it's what I'd like: I'd like to be able to have separate reinvest rates. More particularly, I'd like to be reinvesting almost all of the sbd, but getting the Steem for myself (which I can then power up myself and delegate) ;)

I could do it manually, but you're the king of automated functionality!

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Hi @improv! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 8.118 SBD
  • investment status: 430.001 SP delegated + 20.801 SP invested out of 260970 total @tipU SP (share: 0.1727%), reinvest ratio at: 90%
  • pending payout: 0.0005 SBD + 0.0005 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 20 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 1 hour

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You don't calculate APR anymore?

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Because you of the change in voting schedule I had to rework the APR calculations, should be ready to display very soon :)

You can check APR by going to steemdesk.com and checking delegations for user lavater or znnuksfe (for example). The recent SBD price drop hit the APR pretty hard.

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@cardboard Sure. I'd love to see an actual APR, though that takes into account all the fluctuations and the auto-reinvest function, etc. Compound interest, yo!

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Hi @martinphoto! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 0 STEEM POWER delegated, 0 STEEM POWER invested
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 10 hours

Thank you for good service.

Please check my bid "3 hours ago Transfer 0.500 SBD to tipu https://steemit.com/children/@disable3/girl-and-turkey". I did not receive a return message. Thank you.

ı will follow you nice service thanks

Hi @tipu. I'm loving the investment opportunity and your services. I had one problem yesterday however. I sent 5 sbd each for 2 different posts:

11 hours ago Transfer 5.000 SBD to tipu https://steemit.com/colorchallenge/@danpaulson/yellow-spring-color-challenge-wednesday-yellow

11 hours ago Transfer 5.000 SBD to tipu https://steemit.com/colorchallenge/@danpaulson/monday-red-flowers-color-challenge-monday-red

I haven't received a vote for either one, and only one was refunded:

10 hours ago Transfer 5.000 SBD from tipu Refunding, sorry - there was a problem with steem node sending upvotes.

May I please have an upvote or refund for the other post? Thank you.

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Ah, I thought the second refund was send automatically - of course I will handle it :)

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Thank you... I haven't received it yet. When should I expect it?

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In few hours, when I will have access to bot :)

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Super projekt, przez kilka tygodni testowałem i jest elegancko. W następnym tygodniu, zainwestuje troszkę większą kwotę ;) Pozdrawiam.

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Pozdrawiam cieplutko :)

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Hi @khimgoh! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 800.0 SP delegated + 0 SP invested out of 261432 total @tipU SP (share: 0.306%), reinvest ratio at: 0%
  • pending payout: 0.0007 SBD + 0.0004 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 20 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 2 hours

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Hi @cardboard! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 8.4 SBD
  • investment status: 10.5 SP delegated + 1.188 SP invested out of 261479 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0045%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0107 SBD + 0.0021 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 2 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 2 hours
  • Profitability: 0.97 SBD + 0.063 STEEM per 1k SP delegated or invested, APR: 23.38% (data from yesterday)

@tipu status
I want to withdraw my investment.

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Hi @danbain! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0 SBD
  • investment status: 0 SP delegated + 222.047 SP invested out of 261479 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0849%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0004 SBD + 0.0009 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 18 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 1 hour
  • Profitability: 0.97 SBD + 0.063 STEEM per 1k SP delegated or invested, APR: 23.38% (data from yesterday)

Is there any way to see when you are online and voting? I always seem to miss it..

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Yeah, with a refund you always receive message when voting will be active again (check transfer memo in your wallet, you may need to switch to desktop view if you're using a mobile):

Sorry, @tipU needs to recover voting power - will be back in 11 hours and 34 minutes

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Hi @martinphoto! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 0.0 SBD
  • investment status: 0 STEEM POWER delegated, 0 STEEM POWER invested
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 1 hour
  • Profitability: 1.056 SBD + 0.04 STEEM per 1k SP delegated or invested, APR: 25.98% (data from yesterday)

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Hi @steemfunder! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 1.424 SBD
  • investment status: 3.936 SP delegated + 0.178 SP invested out of 250167 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0016%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0012 SBD + 0.0008 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 19 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 7 hours
  • Profitability: 1.056 SBD + 0.04 STEEM per 1k SP delegated or invested, APR: 25.89% (data from yesterday)

I want to delegate 30 SP to @tipu

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Hi @kyberlee! Special squad of highly trained hamsters prepared this delegation link for you:
steemconnect: 30.0 SP delegation for @tipu.

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I'm done.

hello @tipu, i'm a new user and trying to understand from these reply, but not getting the whole picture... can you tell me how much i will get for 50sp is delegated to you for 7 days? and second if i send 50sbd to invest, how much i will get in 7 days... please help me out on this 2 questions....

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@tipu status
edit: :s

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i still didn't get my answer... can you PLEASE... answer my reply? looking forward to hear from you soon

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i did read the other post and i didn't understand please help me out

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Around 0.05 SBD daily for 50 SP delegated and 0.033 for 50 SBD invested :)

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Hi @cardboard! Here is your @tipU service user data:

  • deposit for sending tips and @tipU upvotes: 8.4 SBD
  • investment status: 10.5 SP delegated + 33.76 SP invested out of 250353 total @tipU SP (share: 0.0177%), reinvest ratio at: 100%
  • pending payout: 0.0196 SBD + 0.0001 STEEM, next scheduled payout in: 21 hours
  • voting status: recovering voting power, voting will start in 9 hours
  • Profitability: 0.813 SBD + 0.104 STEEM per 1k SP delegated or invested, APR: 21.75% (data from yesterday)

I want to delegate 1000 SP to @tipu

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Hi @leeyh! Special squad of highly trained hamsters prepared this delegation link for you:
steemconnect: 1000.0 SP delegation for @tipu.

I want to delegate 11.387 SP to @tipU

I like tipU