dMania owner zombee is abusing steemit delegation with multiple accounts, stealing users chances of getting rewards and censors them

in steemit •  6 months ago

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You can't cure human greed ! You can just expose it whenever you have the chance and fight against it.

I think that it is very important for the integrity of STEEM's social media platforms that this issues should be addressed and be solved. The only way for doing that is by making the information available to the community. Only by making this kind of information public, other abusers will think twice before making moves. Also the community needs to raise their opinions on this kind of matters, no matter what decisions will be made. I want to protect my investment in STEEM and all of you should do that also. Making things right will not only increase the price of STEEM longterm, but will also create a pleasant environment on the STEEM's social media platforms.

Regarding the starting meme, you will soon find out what he choose.

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Introduction

In february I decided to start posting memes and gifs on the dMania platform. I was working 3-4 hours/day learning to make gifs with photoshop like this one here: https://steemit.com/dmania/@equ1l1br1um/bitcoin-vs-bcash-this-days-zg1hbmlh-fzzxf , only to realize that people would just copy paste the first meme that they see on 9gag or other sources, post it here and upvote it through bid bots so that they can get the dMania bot up vote. This were the rules then : if you managed to stay aproximately 8-10 hours in the trending section on dMania you would have got the vote from the bot. You can read about the rules from back then here.

I started to realize soon that there where plenty of abuses going on the platform by people who where using multiple accounts, some of them with 10 different accounts. So I decided to gather the info and send it to zombee, who is the dMania owner and a hyprocrite (you will see later in this post why), and send that info to him in order to get those users blacklisted as they should.

But zombee didn't blacklist all of them and was delaying every blacklist even tough the proof was solid : transfers between accounts visible on steemdb, promoting the post from one account with SBD from another account through bid bots and so on... I thought he was focusing on improving the algorithm at first and I hoped the quality will improve after some changes.

Some abuse that I have reported to him : One guy with at least 11 accounts who received a lot of rewards and was at that time ranked 3 in rewards/year : discord message zombee + another one with at least 5 accounts : discord message zombee. For this ones it took him like 2-3 days to blacklist them, even with the solid proof.

His reply : discord message zombee

So I said ok, he wants to improve the algorithm, but it felt strange when he said this with the 3 accounts thing : discord message zombee and last week he said this : general section dMania discord - this was the moment when I started looking for solid proof against him . I suspected he was up to something but it didn't crossed my mind to search him at that point. You will soon see what in the next chapter, clear crystal proof.

Another key abuse that I have reported to him and that he took one month to blacklist, after I messaged him 2 times and finally posted the proof in the dMania discord general section to force his hand to blacklist this user :

droucil creates account -----> gobble (https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=11) creates account ----> japper (https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=9)

droucil creates account ----> gametube (https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=13) creates account ---> kingmeme (https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=12) + real-reality (https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=5) ;

droucil --- > low-high (anonsteem) transfers with the same bittrex account code as droucil (https://gyazo.com/75f2f78332bdd0781172df8e38e58d83 ; https://gyazo.com/bb9a2a666ed043dbd547f83b4d5e8ade) creates accounts ----> zeonair + lion1 + bitbong (anonsteem) : https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=9 (lion1+bitbong) ; https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=11 (zeonair)

Press ctrl+f on anonsteem pages and search the names and you will see who sent the money and which accounts where created

You can check all accounts here :
https://steemit.com/@droucil (main account , didn't post on dMania)
https://steemit.com/@zeonair
https://steemit.com/@gobble
https://steemit.com/@japper
https://steemit.com/@lion1
https://steemit.com/@bitbong
https://steemit.com/@kingmeme
https://steemit.com/@real-reality
https://steemit.com/@gametube

Clear proof, still @droucil managed to get rich by getting daily upvotes from dMania. In most cases 5 votes/day. I later understood that @zombee was up voting this guys accounts with his main account and with the accounts that we will talk in the following section even if the info about him was already sent. This guy was probably a friend or a guy who he made a deal with as I didn't find direct connection. If that is the case I invite @droucil to make it clear for us and maybe he can have a second chance. If not I invite @steemcleaners and whoever can to take care of him.

This are only 2 months rewards that droucil got with those accounts and it doesn't show all of them, because it's a top 23 or something :

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source : https://steemit.com/dmania/@paulag/feb-18-dmania-steem-app-analysis-blockchain-business-intelligence
https://steemit.com/dmania/@paulag/march-18-dmania-steem-app-analysis-blockchain-business-intelligence

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What happened after the dMania bot V3 upgrade and how @zombee abused the delegation from steemit inc. , not only at this point, but also in the past .... @ned

On the 1st of march, @zombee released the dMania Bot v3 - Curation by dMania supporters . This update put the users who delegated to dMania in power, meaning that users who delegated would decide which post will get the upvote. So if one user delegated let's say 10000-20000 STEEM POWER at that point, then he could control all the upvotes that the bot does, because how much you delegated counted also. There was no reason that he would expect that everyone will play fair and circlejerking won't occur.

In the article he says this : "Excluding abusive supporters. If supporters upvote only themselves or a few selected users, their votes will be excluded from the selection process. Only supporters who regularly upvote other authors on dMania will be able to steer the upvotes of the bot.
That should prevent almost all abuse. If someone wants to abuse the dMania upvotes as a supporter, their upvotes will just be ignored." - That's funny because no one got excluded even tough there where strong evidence of circlejerking which I sent to him and could be easily tracked on the vote diversity graph here : http://www.steemreports.com/votes-graph/, so it was just smoke and mirrors, he was enjoying the delegations coming in...

Now the most important part of the article and what everyone was waiting for and is related to dMania Bot v3 upgrade :

september 30 2017 : zombee creates account @meme-maniac

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source : https://steemd.com/@zombee?page=153 ; press ctrl+f and search for meme-maniac

He used this account to get a lot of upvotes from the bot back in the day :)

Now the most important part :

september 21 2017 - zombee creates account @garanger :

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source : https://steemd.com/@zombee?page=154 press ctrl+f and search for garanger

march 1st 2018 - zombee announces dMania bot v3 Curation by supporters

march 2 2018 and march 10 2018 - Zombee creates 6 more accounts through account @garanger : https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=7 ; https://steemd.com/@anonsteem?page=6 , press ctrl+f and search for garanger

This 6 accounts as you can see in the links above are : @coindeluxe; @sinsister ; @puppet-master ; @terimar ; @ready-player-one ; @tank-girl

He even sends with @zombee account to @garanger the necesarry steem for that :

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March 2 2018 is the date when he created 3 of the accounts with account garanger : https://steemd.com/@bittrex?page=173 : (you will have to look the pages manually as a lot of transfers are made and it can be on another page now) zombee transfers 1000 STEEM to bittrex, which is splitted between this 3 accounts : @coindeluxe , @sinsister, @puppet-master . Keep in mind that this happened one day after he introduced the supporter curation for the bot, so he knew what he was doing with the new update.

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799.99 + 99.99 + 99.99 + 0.03 (fees) = 1000 STEEM

March 10 2018 is the date when he created the other 3 accounts with account garanger : https://steemd.com/@bittrex?page=129 ((you will have to look the pages manually as a lot of transfers are made and it can be on another page now)) : zombee transfers from the @dmania account 1500 STEEM to bittrex, which is splitted between 4 accounts : @sinsister (to improve delegation); @terimar ; @tank-girl ; @ready-player-one

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1454.99 + 14.99 + 14.99 + 14.99 + 0.04(fees) = 1500 STEEM

He even delegates with this accounts to @dmania, not that he needed it, as his main account @zombee has over 5000 SP delegated and could overpass every up vote of other users, but he wanted to be sure and also increase his chance of being selected as a chosen one and collect rewards from the "chosen one system" (this is the system on how you get rewards from delegating on dMania besides the power of upvotes). This also means that was stealing other users chances, that delegated to dMania, to get selected as a chosen one on posts.

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He did this with his other acounts also.

All accounts where posting in dMania, he was using 100% strength to upvote this accounts, while using 10-50% to vote for other people.

He was planing to use account @sinsister as top delegation one along his main account zombee that has 5000 SP delegated to vote for the other ones, which he did successfully for a time, but got stopped in delegating more.

March 10-11 can't remember exactly when, a friend of mine which I told him that it's possible that those are his accounts (I only knew about the first 3 accounts then and didn't had a direct connection to him), sends this meme to him from a different discord channel :

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He wanted to let him know that we know what he is doing and to stop this bullshit and put his shit together. This friend also found out that he created 3 more. All accounts didn't post anymore after this. The meme stopped his plan of rapping the rewards, ain't that an irony ? :)

What I also found funny is that after that he started flagging posts from coindeluxe and sinsister with the puppet-master account, in his mind probably he was probably thinking that this is the best way to cover his tracks. A lesson should be that you can't cover anything on the steem blockchain, it's all there. If you made a mistake, you are busted and he made it from the begining.

Flagging accounts and upvoting accounts

Upvoting accounts

There are lots of posts you can check for upvotes from zombee, sinsister, etc... You can always see this on steemd.com , you can see all history. Also if he removes votes you can see them on what he did in the last days or when he did it.

He probably will remove the votes or has removed most of them, but that's easy to track, not that we need more evidence than him creating the accounts, making an bot algorithm that favors his plan and vote for them...

Before my friend sent the meme he contacted @okean123 which is allegedly a 'sensei' - admin on the discord channel. There is a high probability that his guy is actually zombee as he always turns out when problems occur and he knew stuff that only zombee would know. Take a look at this :

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I invite @okean123 to prove how he knew about this and also how he had access to the dMania bot (probably steem keys or access to the code) and I suggest other people should ask about this. I believe that this account belongs to zombee also, but I may be wrong. Even so, if it doesn't belong to him, this guy did some bad stuff covering for him as he knew about the accounts and also had access to the bot account and giving upvotes by himself.

I also invite @kid4life who is a friend of zombee's and knew about the sinsister account and what zombee was doing. Zombee always upvoted him on his posts with his main account and also with his alt accounts, especially with @sinsister. You can check that out on steemd to see that he got many upvotes from this accounts. I found this message on sinsister account from a transfer after zombee was forced to stop his abuse :

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I also invite @droucil again to come clean and tell us what really happened between him and zombee (the guy with 7 accounts created through anonsteem that we talked in the beginning, who got a lot of upvotes from zombee and especially from his alt account @sinsister). Remember that it took him 1 month after many users reported this to him to blacklist droucil and his alt accounts. Eventually I was forced to press zombee to blacklist him by posting 2 times the info in the discord general section, so people will get angry and that he won't have any choice besides blacklisting him. Probably had a deal going on with him and this is how it probably went through :) :

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dMania.lol domain running mining scripts situation and why I do think zombee did that to his own users ...

You can find the article here. The vulnerability was found by @sircork. Many thanks for protecting me and other users from this kind of unpleasant situations. He later edit his article, as soon as the problem was fixed by zombee and did updates on the situation.

Based on the proof that I just showed you earlier in the article, there is no reason for me to think that he wasn't involved in this also. You would say like I did back then, when I found out about the situation : "Why would he put all the project and his reputation at risk by doing this? He won't earn to much money by doing that, even to the traffic is fairly good." Now ask yourself : Why would he create so many accounts to get rewards from the bot by abusing his steem delegation and put his entire project at risk for that kind of money? The answer is simple : Human greed has no limits

I am not 100% sure about this thing, like we are now about the multiple accounts based on the clear proof, but I strongly suggest that someone who has the necessary skills for digging deeper on this, to find out if this was done by him or it was just a coincidence. If he did it and this is true there must be some consequences. I don't know to much about running mining scripts, if it breaks the laws, or it just is unethical behaviour, but we should do something if that is the case. I think steemit inc. should investigate this further or other people that want to help. If this is true who knows what other things he did. I suggest everyone that used dMania to change their keys, just in case, even tough the login is through steemconnect, I don't want to risk it.

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Other interesting moments from my time spent posting on dMania and how I found the direct connection to @garanger account

In the beginning zombee probably tried to remove me from the bot selection algorithm to not get any more up votes. I was making to much waves and he probably didn't liked it. He probably thought that if I don't get the bot up vote for some time, I will quit and don't bother him anymore. He said that he was a mistake and some users where left out from the last update. Possible, but now that I think this back, it don't buy that :

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After seeing that he doesn't care to much about quality and blacklists I created a contest to reward dMania users and curate original or very funny memes with my vote , which gave them a high chance for the bot upvote also. You can find the first week of the contest here. The contest lasted for 5 weeks and it helped a lot of users. It also increased the platforms overall quality. @lifeaef gave me the idea and he also was doing curation on his own, which helped a lot on making users work on their memes and gifs and increase the quality of the platform. Great job man, I hope you become a curator for a decent platform :).

There was one little problem with curating and still being a green supporter. Once zombee released dMania Bot v.3.1 - Vote distribution check for supporters he basically made it impossible to curate and keep your vote distribution high, as there weren't so many users that where posting original or at least copied funny memes and gifs. You couldn't upvote an user to many times even if he made great memes. I found out that other many authorized supporters where removing votes from older users posts to keep their vote distribution and I decided to use this also of course. It was an exploit on his bot algorithm that he didn't think about and it was the perfect solution for me, to be able to curate and still be an authorized supporter . Some of them where removing votes for circlejerking, others to do the same thing that I did.

On the 22 of april he finds out about this and he instantly blacklists almost all users that were doing this, including me. I bet he was waiting for this, to blacklist all users that where making problems for him and didn't let him do his abuses. Attention, he didn't blacklist all users that were doing it. When I found out, I immediately went to discord and explained the situation : that there was no such rule that it wasn't allowed and that was the only way you can keep your vote distribution high and not be forced to up vote shitty memes. And at worse he could give a warning first about this matter. I said to him that I could have easily go to the new section and upvote random posts without looking at them and be ok, but I wanted to improve the quality of the platform. This is what a top supporter did : @datapotomus , he was bassically upvoting 20 posts in 2 minute everyday, probably not looking at them and zombee was saying in the chat that this is how supporters should act... I didn't get any reply and was immediately banned out of the discord channel, my messages where removed. All other users that where asking questions where kicked like I was and their messages where removed, messages like this one :

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I didn't manage to make a screenshot for what I wrote, because I was the first to act and didn't thought that he will do that and have that attitude as the owner of the platform.

Somebody sent me was going on the discord channel after I was kicked. He was keeping only the ass kissers in the channel and one guy that probably had good intentions (sanmi). Okean and him where liking their own comments :)) :

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"One guy" raises a good point and he gets kicked of course. But it was funny :) :

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Zombee also removes invite links. All invite links are expired so no one can join the channel. Censorship at it's best against steem users. Nicely done !

At this point I was pretty sure I will find something that will link him to the 6 accounts so I started digging along with a friend. I took it from examining his account from the start and it didn't took to much time to find out that the account @garanger who created the 6 accounts with the sole purpose of abusing rewards was in fact his account like I proved in the second section of the article.

Last but not least after he blacklisted me and the other many users, the second day he said that he will remove the blacklist after 2 weeks and also released a new update that who knows how it will benefit him to continue his abuse without no one bothering him. It was a good timing :)

https://steemit.com/steem/@zombee/dmania-bot-v-3-1-vote-distribution-check-for-supporters

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His giving us a chance :)))) I'll ask you one question : "How does it feel when you look at yourself in the mirror?"

Conclusion : I could have done the same thing and create multiple accounts after this update or in the past and make gains, without carrying to much as I had more SP delegated than most of them and also the necessary skills to pull it off (it crossed my mind to be honest), but I choose to create a dMania contest instead and reward users for original or very good memes and also encourage them with my up votes which gave them a high chance on receiving the bot up vote. I also wasted a lot of my time and energy researching and reporting abuse when in fact, the greater abuser was the owner of the platform himself.

By the way this guy calls himself the godfather on the discord channel. Probably the godfather of abuse.

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All I can say to you @zombee is that :

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It could have been a great platform...

30 minutes ago a "friend" of mine contacted him on discord . He wanted some money for "his" research, time wasted, stress and for zombee's missleading him to waste his energy on a platform that was abused by the owner himself. And also award some of the money for the best meme about zombee in the comments bellow :) "He" will had awarded a total of 200 SBD's for this , but zombee just blocked him. It was a nice try tough, trying to scam the scammer. Some of you will consider this not ethical, but this is what they deserve, the money that he has was stolen money from other users. This post would have been posted in either cases, I worked for 3 days on the post, he couldn't have escaped so easily. Just that some money sent from my "friend" to me (as he promised) would have been nice on top for all my research and time wasted. And also some awards for the community from his money made by him through abuse, would have been even nicer, no?

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I hope @misterdelegation and steemit inc. will do the right thing

I hope you will remove the delegation and also hold him responsible for the earnings he made through abuse. I also hope the mining problem on the domain dmania.lol will be investigated properly. He must have a signed contract with you or at least you know his true identity in case he needs to be held legally responsible if he had any part in that.

I am looking for my investment and I want STEEM to grow like I said in the introduction part. I also want to know if my computer resources where used for somebody else financial benefit without my consent. And I think all users want to make that situation as clear as possible after I released the abuses that he made.

I am waiting for the opinions of the community regarding this matter in the comments section. I also want to say to those who still benefit from the dMania platform and don't want the platform hurt because of financial interest, to abstain from making me the villain in the comments or who knows what... But it will be interesting if you can't do that, I will have some fun. The proof is there, you can't deny it as much as you want to.

Till next time...

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I didn't really follow the whole explanation but to me the main issue here is not whatever dmania and/or zombee are doing but the Steemit delegation to a few favored third party devs.

Not only does it put the Steem dev team (aka Steemit) team in a position of picking favorites and represent an illegitimate use of the ninja-mine (which was supposed to be for funding purposes and not be used for stake voting except in cases of emergency) but when things inevitably goes wrong (this isn't the first time and it won't be the last) it blows back on them, and therefore onto Steem.

If Steemit weren't involved and dmania were doing these things with its own money, it might be a case of abuse (not even actively doubting it, just using uncertain terms here because I didn't analyze the 'proof' carefully), but it would just be one other user, of many, who should be perhaps be downvoted (whether that actually happens enough and what should be done about it is a discussion for another day).

The devs should dev, stay neutral, and stay above the fray. Stop raiding the cookie jar of free stake. I know it is tempting to use it but exercise some self-control please.

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...and represent an illegitimate use of the ninja-mine (which was supposed to be for funding purposes and not be used for stake voting except in cases of emergency)...

I recall this argument being made many times in the past when STINC did similar things with their stake. Since HF18, they have added several millions of SP into the daily voting pool from their ninja-mined stake via delegation and other transfers to delegating accounts. Every instance of this translates into more dilution of influence for actual investors.

But it isn’t enough to dilute all other investor influence - they also pick and choose “winners and losers.” And it seems that more often than not, they make terrible decisions regarding where the SP is delegated. How many times have we seen things mentioned in this OP play out...starting with Steem Guild in the fall of 2016?

Despite the frequency and/or severity of the abuses, these mistakes continue.

This delegation nonsense really needs to stop - especially from STINC...and especially because of how it was acquired and how they are perceived as the “leadership” of what’s billed as a decentralized blockchain.

What are your thoughts on delegation overall and the idea of eliminating it altogether?

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I would vehemently oppose eliminating delegation.

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OK. Why?

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I think it helps add value to the platform. I think delegation helped create some things like dtube dlive etc. Plus it can be used as a revenue stream for investors which for some reason seem to be in short supply. In addition I feel it has been beneficial to me. I am very bullish and very dedicated to this platform so hopefully I can help move us forward in part thanks to delegation.

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Would not bother me to eliminate it, but that's kind of focusing on the mechanism.

The original guild stuff, which as you say was the same sort of mess, was done with bots. That was devs using their own accounts (though still filled entirely with ninja-mine stake). But when delegation came along that became a sort of loophole/excuse to weasel out of 'non-voting', not only on individual dev team accounts, but on the whole steemit account as well. Obviously this made matters worse, but the real problem to my point of view is the weaseling and the bad judgment. I don't think you can fix that with a protocol change, unfortunately.

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Well said.

The context of this specific stake (and its blurry justification) is a key factor in why it shouldn't be used for purposes like this. I'm sure there are some similarities that could be drawn between this usage of the stake and the dev-originating witness voting of the past, both which go against the devs ability to stay a neutral party.

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Wow super upvote 153.97 congratulations

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Great point you bring up there...

The truth is that I totally get that we as a community, as the people who participate of this blockchain should not feel powerless, should not feel like we can't create initiatives, apps or what have you to boost and protect our investment on this platform. I know that to some of Steem Inc Staffers, us complaining seems annoying and completely counter productive... I get all that...

But my point, the reason why this is upsetting becomes, if we(the users) are in charge of the future of this blockchain then why don't we know.. and I mean clearly know the rules of the game we are participating in?

It's great that you bring up one of these "game rules" to light....

"Ninja mine is supposed to be used for funding, not for voting.. except in emergencies."

First I hear of this, but I clearly remember this delegations being given to users with no projects/apps running on this platform. So even this original game rule needed a revision from the start.

"Ninja mine is supposed to be used for funding, not for voting.. except in emergencies... or... when it is used for voting because it was given to someone with a blog about food and traveling"

Again, I'm not trying to start a fight... I just would like to understand what the game plan is, if its a business, because it is... then the finances, the resources, should not be used like a the drawer of a mom and pop bakery....

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I can't wait for the same issues to happen on eos , people think the pre Ninja mining really matters that much. There will always be whales. Mute function works wonders.

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I think the difference with EOS it that the sale is longer(it took months) and there are more people interested in cryptos now, which is going to make the coins more distributed... Still, i can see where you are going with that, and even though i'm very bullish on EOS i don't think it's going to be the "king"! We are evolving very rapidly, something new and better is going to appear, something revolutionary! Something that even Satoshi Nakamoto would say: "DAMN! I'm a pleb compared to the guy that developed this!"

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Yes there will always be whales but with EOS I have committed what I could and had a year to do so. That wasn't the case with STEEM. I like STEEM and have invested a lot of time and Money into it but in the end the distribution was messed up and that is why it isn't in the top 10 on CoinMarketCap at this point. With EOS building off of the capabilities of BitShares and STEEM and having the ability to run things like that on top of it there will be many real world use cases for it that will drive demand.

The demand that is driven here is to become more powerful against people who spent $500 and ended up with a million worth of STEEM. So it makes it tough for anyone else to catch up and gain influence. It is like you are racing against Usain Bolt and guess what...... we aren't giving you starting blocks and we are going to have you go barefooted as well. Good luck!

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well i can't say, everything and anything is possible but it's hardly difficult to really state one's opinion because there are more powerful people here,
however we all know the right thing and we should adhere to it

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Am I his friend now? I've not once spoke with the dude.

I've sent that to @sinister wallet yes. As always, when somebody votes on my post and then takes the vote back.I think that's trippin..

Anyways, that's pretty awful and my opinion there are less and less honest people around here running shit. No way in hell i'll be a part of this drama, if this is all true what your saying of course. I enjoy making memes, thats it. Where did you see @zombee upvoting ALL my posts? Wrong, plus if you took the time and checked who upvotes my memes, you would see that just a few people have me on autovote, 20 votes per post on avrg. If I'm not wrong, you earned more money from Dmania than I did, correct? So how am I in any way connected to this? I mean, if I was be sure Id earned more $$$ than I did so far. I see some solid points in ur post tho, but putting me into the story was a kick in the dark.

Otherwise, a great investigation by you, putting in the time, that MEME almost killed me until I saw my name in the post :)

Please edit the part about me, I ain't gonna be seen as some villain. Thank you.

Cheers!

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Exactly !! just because they got blacklisted they now cry like babies and throw everyone under the bus !!

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You got a 11.67% upvote from @brandonfrye courtesy of @equ1l1br1um!

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Check out this awesome video in support of zombee ! it really explains a lot !
https://steemit.com/dmania/@fruitdaddy/i4zuf51f

I dont like dmania... the payout is too high for deligators and actual author payout is low...

Great you make this things all out and make it visible to the public eye. Abusers are everywhere in the world. You invested much time and effort to get all of this information in single post. Great post @equ1l1br1um

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Don't forget to watch the comment when the original poster apologies to me for calling me a scammer :)

Thanks for the info.

Excellent detective work... I will give this a resteem too.. this is complete BS ... I suspect you we will get a half baked excuse before the end of the day, but the evidence is not refutable.

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"I created that account for a friend and he then created the other accounts"

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Yes... I thought of that one... here is my other logical contortion... let's see who wins Fraud Bingo.

"I have a few admins with my keys, I was not aware of.... "

Lets place some bets... I'll self flag full 100% if he says anything that makes sense.

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i flagged myself once, it was cool :D

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He couldnt go with that one cause you took it. So he said he created the accounts and they were all for good reasons. Close, still gets my vote

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There was some dude yesterday on dMania with like 7 accounts, two of them created through anonsteem. His explanation was : "one is my mothers account (old lady posting in dMania with bidbots, imagine that), one was my cousin account, one is my sister account, one is my brother account, one is my second cousin's account, one is my brother in law account ... but they don't have the necessary knowledge to withdraw their own money" So how the fuck are they able to make memes and use bidbots ? :))) I will try to post the screenshots later, it was fun.

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I am the dude he is talking about and I have made this post so that you can see that your accusations about me are false.
Oh I guess you missed the part where you were trying to extort money from me?
Here it is for everyone to see.
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As you see my name isn't bonjour, even tough I like french... And you don't make so much money to make it worth it for me to try to scam a scammer, by taking his money and posting him anyways. I liked what he tried tough. Scammers should be scammed, to know how it feels when they are doing the same thing to others in different ways.

But I have screenshots of your conversation from the discord channel sent to me. The user who talked to you was only throwing bait to see what they would do after the information provided, he didn't only send info about you, but also clear info about an user who was using 4 accounts to post on dMania even if that wasn't allowed. Of course , nothing happened to you or him as always.

As for your explanation, I will never buy that in a million years. All accounts are sending money to you. 2 accounts are made through anonsteem, at least 2-3 of them would have had an exchange account and your mother posting in dMania with bidbots :))) Come on man. You basically said here that you where doing all the stuff in her place (transfers,posting,sending money to bidbots). What makes it "her" account then? Just the name? If you do all the operations on "her" account, then it makes it your account.

I love it when abusers try to be slick, but I will never understand your logic. I even think you have the same patterns :

  1. Get caught, first play the victim role --- Which doesn't make sense
  2. If that doesn't work , blame other people

Your explanation :

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Good luck, won't waste my time replying to you anymore

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I never said I post from her account. If you compare my posts and my mother's posts, you can see that they are very distinguishable from each and clearly not written by the same author.

She posts and I help her with the bid bots and transfers. What is wrong with that?

If you go through this post you can see clear evidence that whatever you're talking about is bullshit.

If I had anything to hide, why would I make it public on my profile that @thedanklad is my second account.
If I had to hide the fact that I created 2 accounts through anonsteem(which I did for 2 members of my family as the steemit registration process was taking too long) don't you think I would have used another cryptocurrency to make it completely anonymous?
Use your brain here. There is plenty of evidence in my post to support my claim.

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Moral Contortionists at its best... they have always been around, they will always be around...

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Chisos 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and one's my auntys sister grandpas late sister account 😂😂 MOTHERFUCKER! @zombee 😂

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Thank you. Yeah, but I am here, going nowhere, I am expecting a lot of things now, which I prepared for :)

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Another day, another shit storm for dMania. The stuff you have to deal with here on the platform as a developer :(

Yeah I have created those accounts: @coindeluxe; @sinsister ; @puppet-master ; @terimar ; @ready-player-one ; @tank-girl, but not to abuse the system. I wanted to test another curation system for dMania similar to DLive.

I wanted to test if I could drop the beneficiaries rewards on dMania and create a team of curators who upvote content on dMania. I wanted to test if I could fund the project similar to dLive, a team curates and the team gets upvotes from time to time to fund the project.
So I created some accounts, gave the keys to some people I personally knew to curate content. I did a test run for one week and it didn't work out. There are too many posts to curate on dMania only by a few users. The upvotes would also be very biased, because everyone has a different sense of humor.

That's why I decided to drop the idea and work on a curation system by the community.
Why didn't I make it public and created the accounts anonymously? Because I just wanted to test it, I didn't know if it would work. I didn't want something like this post happens.... Making a big deal out of nothing. If I would have gotten along with the idea, I would have made it public.

The accounts were active for like a week and got something like 10 upvotes during testing. That was over two months ago. The accounts weren't used since then. The bot has given thousands of upvotes to thousands of users, so I don't think the 10 upvotes are a big deal.

Here comes @equ1l1br1um and makes up some elaborate conspiracy theory. I haven't made any deals with @okean123, @droucil or any other user. I have never given special treatment to any user. @equ1l1br1um just got blacklisted a while ago because he tried to abuse the system. Now he is angry and wants revenge....

Since I joined Steem I believed in the idea of spreading your votes and rewarding the community. I have always voted with my account as many and reward as many as I could. I have created dMania on the idea to reward the meme community. A community that before dMania got very little rewards. I wanted to bring a totally new user group to Steem, the meme culture. There are hundreds of millions of meme lovers worldwide.

Since the beginning of dMania I got attacked by many users for creating it. I was attacked and insulted by Steemians and other developers.
That's what you get when you work as developer on Steem and try to bring value to the community, a lot of shit thrown into your face.

While dMania rewards thousands of users, a large part of the Steem community upvotes only themselves or sells all their votes. They have way more SP than dMania and only reward themselves. Of course nobody talks about that, because they control Steem.
@freedom makes 5 million USD a year with vote selling. One single user who has never posted anything or engaged in the community. Many whales do the same and the community is ok with it.
More than 30% of the reward pool is already sold, soon it will be 50%.

I don't think I want to keep working in a community like that any longer. There is almost no support by the larger community for apps on Steem. Very few really support apps on Steem. All they care about is vote bots and how they can sell their votes. Maybe I will just shut dMania down, so I don't have to deal with shit like that anymore.

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@zombee please tell me before you go,
How old are you?
I really wonder that.
You blocked me from discord channel because i asked your age.

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hahahahahah that speaks volumes!

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Lol man is it really true?

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In my opinion, the problem with Dmania is that it rewards dubious quality memes with high rewards.

E.g:
https://steemit.com/dmania/@bahadirk/when-youre-a-civil-engineer-but-you-want-to-be-a-network-engineer-zg1hbmlh-gugd0

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Add two sentences to the meme generator
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Get 65 dollars from Dmania!


This is the reason why I created a bot for Dmania (detection of plagiarisms). People do not want to create memes of their own, they will take graphics from Google, add a sentence and get an upvote. In the worst case, they will take a meme from dmania, which appeared, for example, the day before and they will throw it again.

There are practically no author's jobs in most projects.

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This was one of the main problems. Curating didn't exist at any point. I suggested a wall-of-shame to zombee for people to flag, he implemented after I asked him like 3 times. There was no success for that.

@lifeaef proposed manual curation only to be ignored at any point by zombee

I started a contest to reward quality content with my supporter votes and prizes and @lifeaef started curating on his own for free. This wasn't appreciated at any point by him. @curtaintwicher, @steemitci and @pikacu35 donated to the contest.

Instead he decided to blacklist me for keeping my vote distribution high in order to do proper curation. The level of plagiarism and not even funny memes was to high in order to keep your vote distribution high and still able to curate quality content, because most the quality content was done by few users.

Not only he didn't hire manual curators to pay them for this purpose with the huge delegation. But he blacklisted the people who did that for free, from their time and money, for a flaw in his algorithm. This rule of unvoting didn't even exist anyways but he was quick in blacklisted people.

He wasn't to quick in blacklisting abusers tough. And he never blacklisted circlejerkers , even tough there was a rule for that after the dMania bot v3 update made by him. Full proof sent by me and other users, that there where circlejerkers only upvoting themselves , which got ignored. But still he was very fast in blacklisting people for a rule that didn't even exist. :) That's because he was the godfather (like he likes to call himself on discord) of abuse, which was proven in this post.

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hopefully everyone calms down I enjoy posting memes when I have the time and I think its a great platform! thanks.

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You can continue doing that, the platform hasn't been closed, just that there is no delegation anymore. There are also other platform on the steem blockchain like @decentmemes, @memeit. There's also comedy open mic, which I don't know if it is platform or not, but will look into it.

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Im on your side @zombee , thanks for posting your awesome comment ! hopefully this shit storm blows over , dMania Stays i just love it it always cheers me up and makes me happy on bad days ! please dont leave , I sugest you do a post explaining , similar to your comment here for all your followers ! Keep up the great work !👍👍👍😀

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you defend him because you always get upvote from dmania. you say prefer meme because you don't like in writing. I know it. And you have multiple account @mmckersie @gavinthegreat
Just you to know blacklist user small mistake is not good decision!
I wonder why some user still get upvote from dmania after unvote many post ? Can you clarification this ? @zombee

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Do your homework before you start cutting down innocent people !!! Do you know how many family memebers @gringalicious has on steemit !!?? at least 15 and they all upvote each other all the time and make hundreds of dollars a post , are you going to go tell her also that all those people are not her family and are all her alternate accounts !?!? and thats just to name one out of hundreds !!
And if you think i dont post other stuff , heres a link to my Food post from @momskitchen i made tonight Chicken Dinner !! you dont get a level 70 reputation for doing nothing and just making memes !!
https://steemit.com/food/@momskitchen/winner-winner-chicken-dinner-baked-with-lemon-olive-oil

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I've known who Karen is since I was a minnow and I remember when her boys joined.

These "Detectives" are kind of missing something about being detectives. Like facts over assumptions. This like a pitchfork carrying mob.

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Thank you for your support , you are so right , its very typical of Witch Hunters !! and this guy is just a follower because he cant think for himself and doesnt bother to check his facts before saying something !😠

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This is exactly what he is accusing me of too!

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Him and @curtainwitcher are Witch Hunters and get off on pissing people off because they have no life and nothing better to do thanks for your support , I have now muted both of them because I actually have a life !!😠

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Excuse me but if you follow the rules properly and how to distribute your votes properly you will also get upvoted by dMania , plus I dont upvote myself ! in answer to your other question those are not my accounts !! like many other people here on steemit my 2 sons @mmckersie and @gavinthegreat later joined steemit after I did !! all you have to do is go their sites and clearly see its them and not me , I also talk them all the time and everyone on steemit that has known me for 2 years now knows they are my sons !! I only have one other account that everyone also knows about and I advertise it right on my home screen and thats @momskitchen that i use for blogging about food And i have never once posted a meme or even gone on dMania useing that account !! I have upvoted your stuff in the past at 100% but I wont any longer !!

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Maybe there are your sons accounts, that's not the problem. Let's see how much you back zombee after the delegation has been removed. That move bassically proved my point. Denying 100% proof of abuse doesn't make it right.

Excuse me but if you follow the rules properly and how to distribute your votes properly you will also get upvoted by dMania , plus I dont upvote myself !

You have no reason to upvote yourself, you don't have power, neither delegation to dMania so your vote will count in the bot algorithm. But you like those zombee upvotes, don't you? :) You do upvote your alt account @momskitchen to the top of the comment section by talking to yourself :)))) :

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Did you even read @zombee s comment !?!? and why do you stand by people that abuse the system and are black listed for doing so !? is it because your one of them !?

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I have a video for you to watch if you want to hear the real truth about whats going on here !
https://steemit.com/dmania/@fruitdaddy/i4zuf51f

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Yeah, and after you watch it, check the comments to see when the original poster apologies for calling me a scammer, after I showed him evidence.

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If you are just "testing" Why are you accepting the rewards? Are you gonna be testing forever dude?

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You got to check out this awesome video @zombee ! @fruitdaddy did an awesome job , I really hope @ned sees it and redelagates bck to you , he really explained all of this well !💕🐝👍
https://steemit.com/dmania/@fruitdaddy/i4zuf51f

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Downvoted because I don't believe that whining, rationalizing, whataboutisms, and rage quitting should be rewarded.

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Agreed, rage quitting is the worst part.

This information should be echoed to everyone for all of us to be aware of the consequences for being abusive.

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That's my point, there's a reason you can track everything on the steem blockchain, it should be used properly. Sure, mistakes can happen, but not one after another. I don't understand how steemit doesn't have payed skilled people to do this and also fight spammers, like every big company (facebook...). But maybe they have, I don't know... People do this for free here, but to few people and I don't blaim them. You know how much time it takes to check transactions and other stuff? If they want the price to move up and to keep the platforms clean, then something must be done.

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You should also post about all the whales that abuse the system into the millions of dollars worth !!!

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Why don't you post about them ? Do some research for 1-2 months for free and make a post. I also answered to you in this post where you made that claim about me getting blacklisted. I recommend reading this post one more time to see that what you are saying doesn't make any sense, like all other people that had financial interest to back up zombee.

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I've been trying to understand all this,but your comment is one that makes sense to me. I fear there is serious unfairness going on, but can't expose what is only a gut feeling at this time.

I agree that if such a wonderful concept is to progress then it not only has to be fair but seen to be fair.

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You should read the comment left by zombee it explains his side of the story at least . and you know theres always two sides to every story ! thanks , im glad you liked my comment !👍👍👍

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Thank you. I agree that others will see it differently,And I haven't read the originator Zombees view. Where do I find that ?

I went by as I said by an instinct that something seems seriously unfair,and by the weight of critical comments. Will be happy to be shown that my fears are misplaced.

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Heres a link someone did to a video you should watch ! also if you just go through the comments in this post you will find zombees comment ! thanks !👍👍👍
https://steemit.com/dmania/@fruitdaddy/i4zuf51f

I really wonder why you decided to post this after you blacklisted ? Can't you spread this information a little earlier and prevent the abuse ?

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Good point buddy ;) but one thing is very strange for me with all that dmania, a lot of fucked up not funny copy paste stolen memes get big votes and some really good new ones get nothing WTF???
Sometimes I have the feeling that the curators at Dmania are just 13 years old kids sorry just saying what I thinking
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Check my comments bro. This is getting insane

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I tell you bro just give a shit and only do your thing there are a lot of crazy people on steemit and it will just get you on your nuts and stress you. C ya tomorrow I need a day rest I am good in hangover lol

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DMANIA curators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is absolutely disgusting behavior.

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I hoped to see you here too... we do need to make some noise.. bring this to the attention of the ethic whales and orcas of this platform.

@ausbitbank @aggroed @teamsteem @neoxian @drakos

Sorry to tag you guys... but I know you would want to know..

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They'll get to know about it alright, we have tried to discuss things with him often - the main thing being the curation of memes. He always behaved like a spoiled teenager calling us for "haters" and saying that he knows best how to evolve his curation bot. There have been a lot of controversial things about dmania in the past, with this added on top of that I don't think it will go well this time around. It's a pity really.

Being found as an abuser now and resorting to censorship is as low as you can go.

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Agreed 100% I don't usually get worked up like this... I want to keep a level head on the subject, but I also don't want to feel powerless to this abuse.

I sincerely hope that @ned steps up and does the right thing. This can't be a slap in the hand and a "Ok, don't do it again..."

The message has to be clear, we have so many steemians that complain about reward pool rape, some of the arguments are debatable, but this... there is nothing to discuss.

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It's hard to keep a level-headed discussion at this point. But we can take a deep breath and hope for the best. If it will be just only a slap, well life sucks, will concentrate my time on more positive things.

Thanks for taking attitude against this issue.

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I too learned new photoshop skills because of dmania. And now your petty shit has cost me and others the oportunity to earn good rewards. So selfish of you.

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Don't worry, I learned photoshop and other skills for building memes and gifs from the beginning, when you could have easily copy pasted any shit if you used bitbots or had delegation to dMania, like we both had delegations to it. So you learned a skill, you should be happy about that, you will earn many rewards on dMania or somewhere else. Just don't count to much on skill for dMania, they don't like quality memes and gifs.

Regarding curation, did you see good memes and gifs getting many upvotes? The only time that I saw that improving was after @lifeaef started curating for free with his delegation and after I made the contest. Remember that I tried that with the contest and it improved the quality. I am sorry you feel that way, but I could have continued posting, making some multiple accounts after I found out about this and earn rewards. I choose instead to make it public, so now you are mad that you think that you can't earn anymore because of me? What about the hundreds of users that didn't have a delegation and were missing chances because of abusers? Isn't that selfish of you actually and you are just projecting your selfishness on me ?

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"What about the hundreds of users that didn't have a delegation and were missing chances because of abusers?"

The system wasn't perfect but some of them got through. And for most even one dmania bot upvote is more than they will ever earn on Steemit. In 5 years that could have been hundreds, thousands users and now it might all shut down.

Whatever. What's done is done.

Oh and right back at you.

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He behaved with me like that also whenever I was trying to report more abusers. Actually he said one time : "I don't have time to check my PM's". Even tough he knew I was always reporting this kind of things to him and didn't bothered him for stupid reasons.

I bet he knew the best away to evolve his curation bot : Curating himself and top delegators from dMania like me with who he was making money out of it anyways :))) Now you know why he didn't want you guys involved.

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Dmania is out of controlllllllll in my opinion and I hope that https://decentmemes.com/ is taking over because.... think people ;)

Awesome work. Hope you will tag #blockchainbi in further exposure posts where u have backed up the claim with data. Wow. Really great work

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@paulag found your reports that I added in the post, they truly came in handy. Thank you. I don't know how you did it, but wonderful work. I will keep checking #blockchainbi, saw that there are a lot of posts that I can learn from. Thanks for letting me know that I can post with that tag in the feature when I will make new articles about this kind of subjects.

Interesting information, but a lot of rabbit holes and speculation which weakens the valid points you've made.

I have never met Zombee and I have had 2 accounts receive the dMania upvote. I did remove my delegation after I noticed some problems with the determination of who was able to curate based on voting power. Also, there was something odd about the ranking lists. I didn't have the patience to look into it.

What I do want to say, is that I appreciate the model of dMania. I like that the project gives incentives to delegate, curate and post. I love that they used rankings to make rewards a friendly competition instead of a jealousy point. In addition, I think the style they use is good for distribution.

I don't know if any of the allegations are true or not, but it is sad that success is attacked. It is also sad that success is abused.

I have no opinion other than some things did not add up, and it was bothering me enough to remove a highly profitable delegation.

Regarding the Crypto mining peice, check out the browser vivaldi, for VPN and an integrated mining blocker.

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Please read the article one more time, I think you have missed many points and the only rabbit hole is in your concentration on reading the entire article properly. And I ain't saying this to offend you in any way, I believe that you missed a lot of points and I know people usually don't take the time to read everything, being that it's a lot of information here.

Valid points that I made :

  • Second section : The 100% proof about him creating multiple accounts after saying you aren't allowed to have more than 1 account that post on dMania in the general section. Also you can see in the article that he told me in the PM that you are allowed to have 3 accounts... contradictory statements

  • Censorship in the discord channel against dMania and steem users

  • He upvoting abusers accounts with his main account and alt accounts without blacklisting them with solid proof. You can check that in steemd and steemdb.

I didn't speculate on the mining script situation. I only expressed my opinion and said that I am not 100% sure about this, but I think he did and further investigations should be made, based on the fact that he abused his delegations putting at risk the whole project and his reputation for some $. It's normal for me to think that and for other users that used dMania, that doesn't mean that it's true, maybe it was just a coincidence, but at this point we need to know for sure.

I also don't want to think that as a former dMania supporter, you are not interested to know if someone used your PC resources for personal financial benefit. And if that's true , who knows what more he did besides that. I want to know, that's why I wrote about this.

I know that you protected dMania at some points with the garudi-nutella meme situation and in other discussions. I hope you realize now, as I did, that the evidence on him abusing the delegation and censoring users can't be denied, as much as some people will like to.

I would appreciate if you don't try to change the main subject of the article : Abuse and censorship, by moving the focus on other subjects. Regarding the mining situation I will wait for a confirmation from someone that can prove if he did or not, if this ever will be investigated.

I also feel bad that such a good project was a lead by a good developer, but a greedy hypocrite as a human. It takes a strong character and vision to expand the project, unfortunately he doesn't have any of this traits.

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I wasn't trying to derail the conversation, I was summing up that I agree some things didn't add up. I agree you proved some points.
I didn't want to take the time to validate your proof, so I mentioned that I liked the model and think it is a shame. I have pulled my delegation. Do you want me to tar and feather him?

He didn't use my CPU because as someone who is in Crypto, I protect my CPU. You can't call out all of the scammers so each person needs to protect themselves.

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Ah, I see you just want the flaming torch folks to respond. I will not bother you again.

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You can respond as much as you wish, I can't stop you. You are the only one who can stop himself. I know that you defended dMania for a long time in many comments (times where it made no sense for defending it) and I know that you are up to something here also, so I am just having some fun :) It's just my opinion, I could be wrong of course. In that case it will clear up in the feature when things cool off. I'm a man who knows to admit when he is wrong, so if I am wrong about you, I will be the first to admit it. Cheers.

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Gosh, thank you for giving me permission. When you cool down and reread all of this, save the apology. Maybe English isn't your first language?

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got an awesome video for you to check out !
https://steemit.com/dmania/@fruitdaddy/i4zuf51f

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Hey Karen! Thank you I just listened. Regarding equ1l1br1um's Proof, I was going to go back and look at it, but when I saw the way he reacted to me, combined with him throwing completely false allegations at you, I decided I am just not that interested in what he has to say at all.

Thank you for shaing the video. Peace. I'm off this thread.

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I reacted to you in an elegant manner, you just wanted to push the subject somewhere else. Don't you think it's better to read the full post and proof , before commenting and giving your opinions on the matter?

Also I didn't accused karen of nothing, I just made fun of here. If you can show me where I accused here of something, it will be nice. I was just presenting facts and made fun of her.

Regarding the post , you should check also the comments and how the original poster apologizied for calling me a scammer.

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Strange to hear that you removed your delegation. I remember you because you used to get offended so easily whenever and whoever wrote against dmania, ignoring everything no matter how valid the points are like you own the project yourself. That happened with me as well..

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Interesting that because I said there wasn't adequate proof to assume the crypto mining was done by Zombie that you would see that as defending him no matter what. I dislike hyperbole and character assassinations. I don't mind when people point out the facts, but they lose me when they start making up motives and assumptions.

I also have defended the overall project which has been attacked for having a model that I like. I support the concept of having multiple types of front-ends which reward content with different models and I dislike the angry mob style of attack on things that some do not like.

In this thread, I mention that I agree there were problems. That I removed my delegation. That isn't enough, I mentioned that I like the "Model", and that isn't enough. I guess I have to dislike them exactly the way some of you do and say nothing but bad things . . . Or I am madly defending it.

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Nothing happened to me I just didn't like their voting algorithm and the barriers set around it, when most of the sp they got was delegated from steemit, too much profit oriented rather than helping the community and owner/s were too arrogant when the community pointed and asked to fix the problems and things like that.otherwise I never said I don't like the whole project and the project behind it.these are my personal views though.

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I have never been a fan of Dmania especially after i figured out they take achunk of your curation rewards for themselves. I mean what is the point of using Dmania if you can post memes on here ?

now that the creator has been exposed as untrustworthy its make it even more clear that the site was just a money grab.

Congratulations, we need more counts like this, even we need people that always are showing some interest to share information like this without fear..

The whole point of Steem is it supposed to promote quality content. Memes can be funny...they can be clever, but they are hardly quality content.
I whinged about dmania many times in the past and their encouragement of spam on this blockchain.
What we as a community and developers on this blockchain should be doing is promoting a reward for effort ethos. Not always quality because we are not all of the same intelligence and not all of us will always agree. But lets stand behind the principles of why this blockchain was created. This requires input from every member and community decisions and policing of sorts.
Spammers and easy money merchants must be removed and flagged, people who put in effort and are community minded members must be rewarded. Sorry, but whatever the rights and wrongs of this post, for me anyway, dmania just doesnt fit.
Well done to @eq1l1br1um for starting the discussion with such an excellent opening argumemt

Greed is a human nature not no one can stop. It begins way back on stone age. Sadly, all human still posses it in there DNA.

Isn't everyone here trying to abuse the system in some way? Between bidbots, self-votes, and abuses such as the above, isn't the majority of the people on this platform working in a selfish manner?

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No, I'm not. Actually, a lot of people aren't. I spread my upvotes around, even though they aren't worth much, I try to incentivize people to use steemit and post more creative content.

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Somewhat valid point, but not all of us have a nice juicy delegation from SteemInc to propagate our selfish behavior with. If he was doing this sort of thing with his own investment, that would just be one more circle jerk in a pool of such behavior. It is the fact that he is doing it with Steem Inc's steem power that is the biggest issue for me.

All of the @mrdelegation projects need to be held accountable for the use of the resources they have been given access to. These projects are meant to be for the betterment of all of Steem, and not just rewards for having a bright idea so you can bleed the reward pool to your heart's content.

I am sure many many people have wonderful intentions when they have an idea for a Steem front end, but getting a taste of those rewards when you suddenly have a delegation to ply with can be pretty tempting. Some people can't resist the temptation to sim as much as they can for as long as they can.

I tried dmania in its first phase, and I always khew that it wasn't doing any good behind and everything was fishy.I got unbearable scolds and downvotes on my comments whenever i wrote something against dmania.
Now I want to see comments from some dmania backers who always defended this shit now matter how many times we try to expose it.

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@katteasis O, they commented a lot in this thread, they are trying to accuse me of a lot of stuff, always moving the focus on other subjects. To bad that what they think they have against me, it's already proven false by facts in the post :) But they still keep playing the broken record, even with the solid proof. So I'm guessing there's two possibilities : They don't have any kind of logic or have other interests. That's why after this night I will stop replying to them.

I agree with most of the points in this post.

However, I have been wondering, how to developers make income from their apps on Steemit? How do devs of DTube, DLive, DMania, DSound, etc make an income for their work, other than making their own posts and being upvoted? If there is another type of income for them, please let me know?

If there was a defined income stream for devs, perhaps they wouldn't resort to Zombee's type of poor behaviour?

Should there be something like 0.5% (or a smaller % even) of rewards from posts using a Steemit app, should go to the developer of that app?

Interested to hear Steemian's thoughts on this.

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there is no "rule" or standard really for this.... but in most cases apps have beneficiaries, meaning that when a user makes a post the app's main account is added to the post and receives a portion of the payout.

Some other apps use your upvote as form of payment, meaning that once a day sometimes or more they will trigger your account to upvote one of their posts.

This is to say, there is nothing wrong with a method of making sure devs and platforms built on steem are designed in a way where the team in charge of said product makes a decent living. It should however be transparent and clearly explained to all its users.

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Thanks @meno for that explanation, I had been wondering how devs made money from Steemit apps, I actually tried last night to find info on this without success.

Given that 2 methods exist currently, all can disregard my alternative suggestion, given above.

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I don't know enough about the dMania system to make an informed suggestion.I like the concept and want it to survive and progress.

I know enough to agree with you that the developers of an idea should be rewarded appropriately but in an agreed and transparent way.

I stopped with dmania as no matter what I did towards how you get the vote, including actual original and quality memes, never did I get the dmania upvote. My mate did the same thing.

We worked out at least 5 of the top 10 is the same person as you can look at the STEEM power and see the same pattern of how much they have, and how much they have minus from delegations. No surprise if they are Zombee's as well and he is just raking in the money.

It was a good initiative that would've been great to get the once in a while upvote, but seeing peoplee copy my memes because they are good then get an upvote, or seeing poor memes that get one.

I frankly don't know why I was mentioned or brought into this post. I have nothing to do with how @zombee configures or codes the bot. My 20% ( I have now moved to 33%, because it seems to be the same stuff over again) posting value was across the board for dmania, and I didn't 100% a few select people that I liked. I felt like it was more important to vote for as many things as I found funny, and give everyone and as many people a chance at getting to the bot as possible. I do read the memes I upvote, because if you look. I upvote very few cryptocurrency or "need an upvote from the bitbot" related, as I don't find them particularly funny. I also do upvote some things at 100%, but they are usually steemit articles.

It's honestly pretty jacked up, that I just delegate a lot of SP, and vote on stuff that I find funny, and I am getting dragged through the mud...

I would also have a easier time believing the accusations. If zombee wasn't already getting 10%, which is called out specifically in the FAQ. It seems like way to much effort to skim a system that he could easily just up his share from.

https://dmania.lol/faq
How are rewards distributed on dMania?
75% goes to the author and curators(Users who upvote posts). Curators receive between 0-25% of the author rewards, depending on their Steem Power and how sucessful they promoted a post.
15% goes to dMania supporters.
10% goes to dMania.

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I didn't say you had something to do with zombee, I just said that you are shit curator and zombee likes shit curators, like it says in the post. It wasn't about you, it was about zombee giving you as an example, when you upvote every single post that you find, in the lowes ammount of time that you can do it. Actually that was the smart move to do and I wish I would have done that also and mind my own bussiness. But that's not my problem that you do that your delegation to dMania, everyone does what they like with that delegation. My problem was with zombee supporting that. That's all, you have no fault in doing the smart thing in that kind of situation. But I liked how active you became in the discord channel recently and also how you didn't liked the min 50 REP for accounts in order to get the bot upvote situation, pretty good timing no, with that huge delegation ? :) ... Cheers.

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My huge delegation to dMania happened because I stopped delegating all my SP to smartsteem, because I feel like dMania is a much better use of it .

I literally have posted three memes in like 2+ months.... The upvote bot isn’t there for my use..

I know this might be hard to believe, but everyone is not as self-serving as you are making vague accusations against...

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Sorry for implying that stuff about you. This where some tough few days for me. And there where a lot of abusers on dMania, I don't want to compare you to them, you didn't abuse it in any way and probably was having high expectations from this platform like I used to have and now you feel disappointed like I was. Sorry one more time, you didn't deserve that. But in the post I didn't make any accusations about you and I was only talking about how zombee treated curation. Hope no hard feelings.

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That sounds interesting! I followed you.

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And I totally agree with you 100% ! check out this awesome video that really caught my attention and deserves support !
https://steemit.com/dmania/@fruitdaddy/i4zuf51f

Wow I didn't expect that. Thanks for exposing. Human nature always surprises me
Congrats for this @equ1l1br1um

So the steemit DEV team is now playing games and raiding the cookie jar.

I think steemit.com is really just an expensive experiment to prove how shitty human behavior is, when left to their own devices and even when they know they could possibly be tracked on blockchain, humans still act like greedy immoral jerks.

A very expensive experiment. But the evidence being developed on human nature is in valuable perhaps?

Gone through your whole post it was so great to know about all these.You have done a great work my friend and your explanation is really great.And probably in some sense you might be right in your post.And to be honest i don't exactly know what dmania and zombee are doing to the platform i am a recent user of dmania and i am enjoying,but did not got an upvote yet,lol.Done a great detective and helpful work for us by revealing some great points on dmania and its practice on steemit.Keep your good works up friend you will surely get succeed one day and hope the day comes soon.Have a great day to you all my dear visitors.

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My pleasure.

What a Milkshake Duck.

Looks like you did some serious investigation there. I hope the community can resolve this issue.

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I hope that also. Learned a new expression with this occasion. Thanks

There were people that thought it wasn't 100% abuse?
Also wow, he dumb.

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lucky for us, he was not that smart covering his tracks...

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Now imagine the amount of abuse that goes on that we can't see or won't find out about...

The ease of creating a Binance account that gives you a unique Steem deposit address is surely being abused a lot right now.

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I'm sure this is the case... I wish there was a way to get some collaboration from some of the exchanges that participate of the system for extreme cases of abuse... This might make me a "traitor" but honestly... we are all about transparency right?

Well... exchanges provide the smoke screens in many cases.

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Nothing more to say thanks acidyo!

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There are way more other methods also, won't disclose them here. During my search for proof on other cases, I have hit a dead end many times because of that, even tough I'm 90% sure who where those users.

Transparency from exchanges could solve some problems, but then they will create more exchanges accounts, just that it will slow their progress, which is a good thing.

Wow. That's a lot of detective work. Interesting that an0nsteem isn't so "an0n" after all. I bet he didn't see that coming. It seems like there would be plenty of better ways to cover your tracks. @zombee that was pure laziness on your part my friend. Not to be the devil's advocate but, next time, cover your tracks a little jeez..

Steemit is like a magnet for this type of scheme though, obviously, it's going to keep happening until some things change.

I have seen more copycat accounts than I could possibly report, steemit is plagued by them. The same stupid DOGE spammer was landing in my @ginabot messages 50 times a day for a week at least.

Thanks for your efforts along your endeavor to make steemit great again @equ1l1br1um, your energies are appreciated by the community (mostly) :D

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Thank you. I sure hope people will become more responsible. With the money that they can make here, they better be responsible with delegations.

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I was blacklisted from dMania 💔
Also blocked from discord channel in seconds because of I wrote after blacklisting... 💔

But I'm still making memes, jut like the old happy days... 😶
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:) Remember that he gave us a "second chance" the next day :

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So it was a short blacklist

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